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« on: 02/02/05, 20:52 »
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In what situations do you recommend the scsa test?

How reliable do you think this test is in determining one's ability to achieve a successful pregnancy?

What is the treatment protocol for this?

Will vitamin supplements like Proxeed or fertility blend help?

Should one simply give up on IVF/ICSI if their dna fragmentation is high?

Why is there so much controversy about this test?  It seems some doctors recommend it and others don't? 

Thanks in advance for your time.

Sincerely,
Heidi
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« Reply #1 on: 02/02/05, 22:12 »
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The reason that there is no census about the test for DNA fragmentation of sperm is that it is fairly new, and, therefor, incompletely proven.  There appears to be some benefit to the testing.  I collaborate with a sub specialty trained urologist, who, under certain circumstances, has the tes performed.  We do not have a large enough data base to speak with certainty, but in properly selected patients, it may provide a benefit.  It certainly helped one of my patients, who used the report to determine to have varicoceles repaired, and now the couple has a son, after ICSI.
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« Reply #2 on: 02/13/05, 20:13 »
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Dr.  Jacobs,

Thank you for your response.  However, you did not comment on some of my questions.

What is the treatment protocol for this?

Should one simply give up on IVF/ICSI if their DNA fragmentation is high?  (or does it just take longer to get pregnant)

Will vitamins supplements like Proxeed or fertility blend help?

Thank you,
Heidi
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« Reply #3 on: 02/14/05, 06:31 »
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I collaborate with a sub specialist urologist, who is trained in male infertility work.  He determines if it is approriate to do the testing based on his own findings, and he determines the treatment based on the total clinical picture.
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« Reply #4 on: 04/13/05, 20:34 »
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Dr. Jacobs,

Should one simply give up on IVF/ICSI if their DNA fragmentation is high(around 40%)?  (or does it just take longer to get pregnant)
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Testing for DNA fragmentation in sperm is a new technology, and we do not have all the aanswers, yet.  In selected circumstances, it seems to have some value.  There is also, at least 1 report that varicocele repair may improve sperm DNA fragmentation.  Proxeedand vitamins  do NOT.
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« Reply #6 on: 04/14/05, 11:45 »
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Thanks for your prompt attention.

But my urologist has ruled out any varicocele  presence.
To him everything seems alright. do you want me to take second opinion on this? what's your advice? Are high DFI numbers treatable.your expert advice is very much appreciated. I would like to talk to you and don't mind paying for your advice.is that do able?
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« Reply #7 on: 04/14/05, 18:27 »
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Please understand 2 things.  I have very limited knowledge of andrology.  That is why I collaborate with someone who is an expert.  Second, no physician can provide meaningful advise to anyone he has not evaluated.  I would be happy to work with you and your husband, but would need to see and evaluate you, as a couple.
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« Reply #8 on: 04/15/05, 00:07 »
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We live in NJ.Is phone consultation an option?we have undergone 1 st cycle without success and have all the  test results and  can fax you all the information. we are planning to go for the second cycle and would like to seek your advice.please let me know.Thanks
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Part of the evaluation I would need to do to provide any consultation is a physical exam, in addition to reviewing all of the medical records and X-rays.  The Texas State Bosrd of Medical Examiners has already made it clear that practicing medicine over the phone, without having seen the patient is NOT within the scope of appropriate practice.  Also, since I would be providing medical care in New Jersey, I would probably run afoul of New Jersey law for practicing without a license in New Jersey.
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« Reply #10 on: 04/15/05, 08:53 »
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To rt -

In case you are not aware, there is a male infertility message board at www.inciid.org that is moderated by Dr. Evenson, who developed the DNA fragmentation test and runs SCSA Diagnostics, the only lab in the country currently performing this analysis.  He has been very helpful in answering my questions.

As Dr. Jacobs stated, it is a relatively new test so there is very limited clinical trial evidence to guide people on what to do once they have their results.  However, regarding the earlier questions on the impact of Proxeed and other anti-oxidant therapies, Dr. Evenson recently responded that his clinic has seen patients cut their fragmentation levels in half after taking them.  Good luck.
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