CD 1 - Anyone else?
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liz - July 25

Good morning Tracy -

Congrats on the starting to exercise. I wish I could get myself motivated to start again. I was doing really great until about a month and half ago and then it all went down hill! :(

I have never heard of NaPro Technology and Creighton Model, howeve it looks very interesting. I think I may have to do some reasearch as well. Did you mil's friend or know someone who had experience with using it? The way I look at it is anything is worth a shot. How are the costs?

Sorry, this is so brief. I really must get some work done.
I will write more later.

Take care,
Liz

 

tracylee - July 26

Liz -
I just wanted to let you know that I am thinking of you this a.m. and hope everything goes well for you today! I know you will update us, but I just wanted you to know my thoughts are with you!


Tracy

 

liz - July 26

Good morning Tracy -

Thank you for your thoughts. I just got back. Everything went very well. My re did the post colital test and mucus check. He gave me a supurb, well actually I guess you could say it is dh that should get eh supurb. The count was very high and they were swimming just the way the should. I actually got o see it, very cool. Amazing, it still makes me wonder why it takes millions of those little guys to penetrate 1 little egg??????
I then had my u/s. I have a total of 5 follicles now. Yes, 5. Monday it was 3 and over the past 2 days 2 more developed, they are small only 12 and 13. The other 3 are 17,17 and 15. The nurse said depending on my estrodiol levels we may be able to do the trigger today. She is a little concerned that if we wait the smaller 2 might get big enough for ovulation and then we will have 5 ovulating this month. Part of me thinks, 5 I can't pg with one what makes them think I will get pg with 5, but then the other side of me is a little nervous about it.
Anyway, I will find out this afternoon what exactly is going to happen. I will be sure you let you know.

How are you doing? Still working on your research?

Thanks again for your support.

Take care, talk to you soon
Liz

 

tracylee - July 26

Liz - Great news! Glad the post-coital was good. Superb for the swimmers and superb for your mucous! It's good news for you both! At least you know you body is not fighting off those swimmers! I think I will be requesting that to be done as well.

Hmmm...I have alot I want to do, before I say yes to even condsidering IVF. (Of course I will be sitting here and watching how you make out as well). I have been reading lots of positive results from injectables who did not get their BFP from clomid. So we'll see, at least I am leaning in that direction. As far as my research goes, I am up in the air about that now, as well....only because I am already charting and monitoring my BBT, CM and CP, so I am not sure I need to go that route, since I am already on that road. I am charting this month, with no meds, so I am hoping to SEE something...I charted the past two months, but was on Clomid, so I want to see how my body does on it's own. Do you chart?

Tracy

 

liz - July 26

Hi Tracy -

I can completly understand your hesistance in going straight to IVF. I too would be very hesitant to skip the in between. Then I do understand that you have been trying for so long that maybe your re would think he should just move past everything else.

I have no idea if I will achieve a pg on the injections only time will tell. I can say I did a great deal of research and the injections have a very good rate of effectivness. When I did the Clomid I only produced 1 follicle, on the injections I had 2 last cycle and 2 possibly 3 fully mature this cycle. My Estodiol is up, which of course in turn shows that the eggs are better quality. So far I really like the injections for me (I hate the price, but it is a small price to pay if the results are good). I seem to be reacting well to them and do not have any of the side effects I did on the Clomid. I really believe that since the Clomid tells your brain to tell your overies what to do and the injections go straight to the overies and bypass the brain it speeds up the process. Atleast that is how it was for me.

If I were you I think I would atleast mention it to your re and see what he has to say. Maybe he has a very valid reason for wanting to go straight to IVF, but just remember the bottom line is it is your and your husbands decision.

The post colital test is a piece of cake. I would honestly suggest it to anyone who has a question about the mucus. I was scared, but it is so worth it to know for sure that is not a problem.

I have never done too much charting. Fortunatly before I did not have trouble conceiving, just ended in m/c for 2 unknow and 1 know reason. Since it was my 3rd they began testing right away. I ended up on the Clomid when everything else was ruled out and they monitor me with u/s and bw and I had to induce ovulation with hcg so I didn't worry much with the charting.

As for my results they are in. My Estrodiol is up to 559, the highest it has ever been. :) I will do a trigger shot tonight and ovulate approx 36 hours later. I have 2 definate follicles that are 17, the 3rd is 15 and she can't rule that one out. The other 2 are too small, so we don't have to worry about the 5 anymore. I am glad about it since the more there are the more I would tend to be alittle on the nervous side. Could you just imagine? At this point I just need to relax, enjoy my dh and his little swimmers and hope for the best. :) I would be lieing if I said I wasen't a nervous wreck, I am, but I am also trying to convince myself to calm down and late it happen. Keep telling myself that and maybe I will be able to. haha

I will talk to you soon,
Liz

 

tracylee - July 27

Liz - Great news, your estrodiol level is up, and the highest it's been, even better. And three good eggs! I guess having five good eggs would make me nervous as well...I think knowing at any given point I have ONE good egg would be good, and the more the merrier! I can totally understand your nervousness and anxiety! I always responded well to clomid, at least when I was monitored in the past (for the four IUI's), but for whatever reason, only sustained one pregnancy(and that was unmonitored, my second month on clomid). Obviously that is not your issue. This is why I am hesitant to go straight to IVF, until they can give me some reason it can't/won't happen. I don't know, some days I struggle with it more than others and think that if there was a reason I could accept it, and either act or not. I just don't have anything to go on at this point, so I want to rule out (or not rule out) whatever we can before I have to make the BIG decision, and for me and DH it's huge. Not just the money, because it's not all about that.

I am excited for you and your anticipated ovulation! Tonight we begin our "Sperm meets egg plan." It's pretty basic, but that's where I am at. I do chart, especially my temps, as I said before, but I wish someone had informed me of this years ago! Well, I might have had a nervous breakdown by now, but maybe I would have more clues as to what my problem could be! I still might have a nervous breakdown, but one can never tell. I have my brave front on today....probably because I haven't even O'd yet, too early for that!

I went and had my hair highlited tonight. New place, I received the gift certificate for my b-day. Anyway it was nice to focus on something else, at least for a little while. Not sure if I like it yet, but DH says it'll be like BD'ing with someone else tonight! Great sense of humor he has, but he shouldn't quit his day job!

Well, I will definately be thinking of you alot in the next few days! Hopefully you find a way to relax, a little bit, and let those swimmers get where they need to get! I know you have alot coming up with building the house and it would be great to have one BIG stressor behind you (actually in front of you) so you can focus on building a really great home! (or sit back and watch DH do it!)

Always great to hear from you, talk to you tomorrow, I am sure! :)

Tracy

 

liz - July 27

Hi Tracy -

I got you private message, sent you one back. Thanks.

That is too funny about your dh's coment with the hair. That sounds exactly like something my dh would say. Glad to see you did something to pre-occupy your mind for a little bit. We all need that. The upcoming house is my main distraction. It really does help to keep the obsessing with ttc down a little bit.

As for monitoring. I know cost is always an issue if insurace does not cover it. We had decided to go with it before we found out that I am covered for 6 cycles. Anyway, I liked the idea that if I am being monitored it might give some insight as to what the problems are. What we discovered in the 1st cycle of Clomid was my lining was too thin, only 7, little mucus and I did not have an LH surge (we had to trigger). So it was worthwhile for that cycle. Last cycle on the Repronex I was again closely monitored, no problems there until the 4dpo bw and my estrodiol had dropped. Because I was being monitored they could just have me do the booster shot and that worked for me. I am definatly pro monitoring. I have learned that there is just so much that goes on in a cycle and if you are not monitoring with the u/s and blood work you really do have no idea what exactly is happening. It really is just leaving it all up to faith in my mind, which don't get me wrong faith is a good thing. I feel that if I am paying that much money for meds I want to make sure I am doing everything I possibly can and the monitoring does that for me. I am sure some may differ their opinion then mine and that is fine we are all individual, for me the monitoring makes me feel more secure. I realize that if we had not done the monitoring we would not have found out some of the "problems" within my cycle, thus not being able to correct them. You can't fix or try to fix what you don't know.

I can understand your desire to find out what is wrong. I felt the same way. Until you know something for sure you just keep second guessing everything. For me if I don't know something I read everything and "self diagnose" which is never good. I would seriously consider making a list of questions for your re. Ask him about trying to find out what the problem is. Let him know how hard it is for you to accept that there is no answer. You have been trying for a long time, God love you and your dedictation. You deserve to have some kind of answer. Maybe if you had something to go by you would feel more at ease going to IVF. Quite possibly he would understand that. I know my re started me with the Clomid, but immediatly after we had the bad round talked to me about injections. We had the good cycle last, but no pg, he immediatly moved me up to 2 viles to try to get my estrodiol higher in the beginning of my cycle. I feel that he is constantly moving forward. If 1 treatment does not work we keep moving forward till we hopefully find one that does.

Good days, bad days and then some really bad days that is all a huge part of our lives ttc. We get through it. You are intitled to your bad days, after all you have been through you deserve it. Try not to get down on yourself when you are down, take it in stride and always know tomorrow is another day. :)

I got my trigger last night and we had fun b-ding. Wow, twice in one day, I feel like we are back in the old days when we first met. ;) The next 2 days will be fun filled for me b-ding, propping my legs up you know the drill. haha. Then when I am though it, it will be your turn (a day or 2 behind) then we will be in the wait again. Well lets not think about that part, one day at a time. In the meantime enjoy your dh and practicing, thats what my dh calls it! :) Everyone that ever asks about the baby process he says "we are practicing and practice makes perfect." He makes me laugh.

Well, I see I have written a short novel, so I am going to go and get back to work. :)

Talk to you soon,
Liz

 

tracylee - July 27

Liz -
Thanks for the encouragment! You are just full of positive energy today! Guess you got some last night!! HA HA! I only laugh because I know you did and so did I! Too funny! I can come here and feel free to talk about my sex life! Well, not all of it, but you know what I mean! LOL!

I got your PM, thanks.

I am certainly wanting the monitoring that you are receiving. This is why I "think" I would like to move to injectibles. Just to have the security of know what is going on inside of me. Now I wonder, do I ovulate, don't I ovulate, is it me, is it him....tired of it! Trying to have fun with it this month! I know what you mean when you guys are saying "practice makes perfect!" Our thing is that after we are done I always say, "boy, you sure do suck at this," and then he will say,"I guess we'll have to try again, tomorrow." As long as we can keep our humor, I know it'll be fine. There was a time it had gotten so scheduled that it was a real drag, just doing it because we HAD to and not because we wanted to. My OPK was - this a.m., no surprise, but I told DH and he said, "I guess you won't be taking advantage of me later then." I know he was kidding, keeping that sense of humor, but like I said, he should not quit his day job!

So good days, bad days, we'll hang in there together! We both seem to be having good days today! And probably for the next few days ;).

Back to work I go!

Tracy

 

liz - July 27

Tracy -

You are right "getting lucky" does give you postive energy, I guess twice in one day makes you have even more energy. haha :)

From what you have told me about your cycles I would have to say sometimes you ovulate and sometimes you don't. That is just my opinion judging by your progesterone on day 23. I was always told and correct me if I am wrong that if your progersterone is not over 10 you may not have ovulated? Not sure. Maybe I will research that.

Your dh seems to have a great sense of humor. My dh is the same, but as you say I tell him not to quit his day job. haha

Well I am going to send you an email and make sure I have it right.

Talk to you soon
Liz

 

tracylee - July 27

Liz -

What is frustrating about my progesterone levels is that unmedicated it was 16.9, then one month on clomid 9.7 and the following month (last month) it was 23.4. So I ovulate well on my own, not well on 100mg of clomid, but well again on 150mg of clomid??? I'm going to have to lok back at my chart for that month where it was low and see if perhaps I O'd later than what was expected. My cycles were longer on clomid. Anyway, this month will be unmedicated and I am charting, so hopefully I will see that I ovulate, when I ovulate, and hope that the cysts do not interfere with anything. I have heard you can ovulate with the cysts, and they can interfere. Is there a fortune teller in the house????

Tracy

 

liz - July 28

Hello Tracy :)

How are you doing today? I am pretty good. Have been crampy all day, o is definatly in progress. I had such bad cramping earlier today it hurt to walk. I have noticed that the more follicles I have the worse the cramping is. This does make sense.

Very strange, your definatly not regular with your progesterone. I wonder if the Clomid could possibly mess you up? I would have no idea about that, but I am sure it is possible. That sounds like a good question for the re.

I have heard that cysts can interfere with ovulation and then I have heard that they may not. You know there is never a definate answer I have come to learn. It's crazy, so hard to figure anything out you know. If there is a fortune teller in the house I would love to chat with them. haha

So, hows the charting going? When is anticipated o time? Sorry, I am a little messed up since I ovulated a day earlier this cycle due to the injections and being "ready". Sometimes I feel like a piece of met, they poke me, get my blood, do and u/s and then say "your ready". haha

I am gonna go, we are visiting with some friends this evening so I must get ready.

Take care,
Talk to you soon
Liz

 

tracylee - July 31

Hey Liz -

Hope you had a good weekend! I'm sure you were busy trying to catch those eggs! I hope it went well! I'll be here to ride out the 2ww with you!

My weekend was okay, a couple minor setbacks, as far as charting, but no big deal. On Saturday, I tried to use my OPK and when I did, I got nothing. No control line, no test line just nothing! So I was aggravated! And then Sunday a.m. I wake up, and I was hot, had been ALL night. So I take my temp, and it was way up, then I look and my heated mattress pad was turned on....AARRGGGHHH! So, that was my weekend of charting! Incomplete! It's funny, only because I know to expect to O tomorrow! Temp dip this a.m., hopefuly a pre-O dip.

Other than that, I kept busy ALL weekend, house cleaner, out to dinner, back to school shopping for DS. First grade starts tomorrow! Hope your weekend was GREAT!

Tracy

 

liz - July 31

Hey Tracy :)

Wow, your son is going back to school tomorrow. Our kids don't go back here in PA until the last week of Aug. Is he excited? I guess 1st grade would be more exiting to a child then say when they are a teenager. haha.

Sounds like you and I did alot of the same over the weekend. Fri. I had a dentist appt. (yuck) and ran errands, Sat. I cleaned and grocrey shopped, Sun. we worked outside preparing. :)

Sorry to hear about your mishaps with the ov predictor. Hopefully today's dip was a sign of o on its way. Hope you got your bd moves all ready. Tonight could be the night. :)

I am doing well, very calm for me. Unusual I know. I think I might be too busy with the house to really dwell and worry if this month is the month. Of course I am hoping and praying it is, but I am trying not to get my hopes up. I have bw tomorrow to test my estrodiol and progesterone, then again on Friday. My beta test is scheduled for Fri 8/11 as long as we don't have to do any booster hcg shots. I am feeling confidant that my estrodiol has not dropped this cycle so that is a good thing, I will know for sure in 24 hours or so after my bw is done at 7:30 am tomorrow. So for now I am just waiting. We will definatly we enjoying the 2ww together again this month.

Are you ready for your upcoming vacation?

I will chat with you soon,
Take care,
Liz

 

tracylee - July 31

Oh, wow, good luck tomorrow....you know I will be patiently sitting on the edge of my chair here awaiting the results! It's funny how anxious I am, for you!

I am SO ready for vacation....can't even begin to tell you, hoping for a happy send-off, but if not, then I know I can rest up for the next cycle! I am very curious to see whether I will even O with these cysts... Hope so!

Have a great afternoon!

Tracy

 

liz - August 1

Good morning Tracy :)

Well, the bw is done now I just have to wait for the results. I usually get them in early afternoon. I do have a really good feeling tha my estrodiol is ok. I don't have any of my "normal" symptoms I get when it drops.

I am ready to take a vacation. We are going camping the weekend of the 18th. This house stuff is really getting stressful, 3 weeks till ground breaking and just so much to do. To top it off our phone lines are down at home since yesterday morning, not expected to come back up till the 3rd. Since I have no phone I have no internet and email. I had so much to research last night and could't plus I can't check this site, ughh, its always one thing after another.

I will check in after I get my results.

Have a great day.
Take care,
Liz

 

tracylee - August 1

Liz - I will be here! Hoping your results are great, so you can continue to focus on the other things going on at home!

You are going camping the weekend I am going off to NC. I guess it's good timing! It will be quiet around here. I may have access for like a day, if I head over to my grandfather's, but he usually stays at the beach house with us, so there will be no need for me to go over there. I don't know how I will survive without my constant checking up on everyone and my constant reevaluating my chart! Talk about serious withdrawal...probably worse than cigarettes! I have not TOTALLY quit, I have been having one a night. Need to cut that out now, it's giving me a headache before I go to bed. I guess that's a good thing.

I'm sorry your phones lines are down, that stinks! How frustrating....hope you can survive the next couple of days, without the withdrawal I suffer! LOL!

Let me know when the results are in, I know you will!!!

Tracy

 

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