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Hello Tracy -

I am not on day 1, I am on day 4. Can I still join your cycle group? :)

I missed you, with all the postive news on the other tread we seemed to slip through the cracks. I was thinking about you, hoping all is well.

How are you feeling? I am ok! I had a baseline us today to check for cysts. Fortunatly I am cleared to get back on the roller coaster ride tomorrow. I will be starting my Repronex again, this time 2 viles a day instead of 1.

Take care,
Liz

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Right, fell right thru the crack with all the BFP over there! Had to get off the 2ww thread as a way to regroup and really remember I am starting over, again! I had been reading your threads (little books) on another thread but did not want to interrupt! I had been keeping up with you there!

Glad you got the okay, no cysts! That's super! Full speed ahead! Since I do have the cysts, I will continue to chart, temp and I'm going to do the OPK's this month. I don't recall them working in the past, but figured since I won't be on clomid, I had to take some control into my own hands! As if I have control...HA HA! I wish! Anyway, this will be month one or probably two that we will be on our own. We will be going on vacation (much needed) as my next cycle is beginning, so we will have to wait to get back in with the RE when we get back. I'm okay with it. Do I have a choice?? LOL! Anyway, I also have another prescription for Clomid I can take for the next cycle, but then if I do, when I go back to the RE and he does my baseline and the cysts are there, again, I will be mad at myself! I am really thinking that I may go the injectible route, pending the outcome of DH's SPA. We'll see. I will be needing your support and expertise then! If if comes back negatively, then I don't know. We haven't talked about that yet, because it was never an issue before. All SA's that we had done in the past were fine, which pointed the finger, so to speak, at me. Too much to think about. It's a waiting game at this point, nothing to even discuss until after we get back from NC.

But I am feeling fine, the usually cramping and stuff. Some weird (TMI) things, but I am attributing that to the clomid, especially since I had never before been on 150mg. I am glad you are here for me, you really have a way with words and I enjoy your posts! Thanks for joining me! Hopefully our turn will come soon as well, it has to, right? Sometimes I feel like a child, and I don't like waiting my turn anymore! I want my turn now! Well, I'm going to go get DS settled down and ready for bed! Thank goodness I have him! Really!

Thanks again,
Tracy

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Good Morning Tracy,

Good to hear from you! Yes, I seem to have a bit of trouble when it comes to my posts. It seems no matter how hard I try they end up being little books. :) Oh well I guess you can say I love to talk. Please feel free to jump in anytime, it is always great to hear from you.

I know you are feeling a bit frustrated with the cysts. I went through that back in June, it stinks to say the least. If you don't mind me giving you some advice... I would not take the Clomid this month, I know you want to (I would too), but honestly the worst thing for the cysts right now would be the Clomid. I don't know if you remember my story of beginning Clomid without a baseline u/s. If you did I am sorry for repeating, if not hopfully it may help you. Anyway, I begain the Clomid on day 5, on day 9 I went in for my us only to find out that I had already olvuated. After speaking to the re he told me that he believed I had cysts. I am not sure exactly how all that works, for me it was a wasted cycle. I spent the money on the Clomid, which I took for 5 days only to find out I ovulated to early and had no chance of preg.

I know it seems like an eternity to wait for the next appt., it is worthwile I am sure. Your body needs time to heal from the cysts especially since you have no idea how long you have had them. Did the doc give you any idea as to how large they are? My re told me that usually when you get cysts from Clomid or other fertility meds you only have to wait 1 cycle out and then you should be given the gree light.

When are you leaving for vacation? That is great. I was never in Charleston, my husband was there for work and told me how much I would love it. Someday.

The waiting game stinks. I can 100% relate. After my mc in Dec all I did was wait for 4 months. Test after test I felt like a lab rat! Finally in May I was given the go ahead to begin Clomid. Then the nightmare in June and had to wait out that cycle, then I moved on to July and really thought it could be the one and nope it sure wasen't. This whole process is nothing much more then waiting and keeping the faith.

I will always be here! If you ever have any questions I may be able to answer please feel free to ask, I am willing to share any experience I may have with you.

I must run - Talk to you soon
Take care
Liz

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY TRACY

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MAY YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY

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Thanks so much Liz! I am going to have a great day!

I do enjoy your books, I really do! I was not going to do the clomid this month, but next, maybe. I don't know, maybe not. I don't want to have the cyst problem again, but it's the whole control thing. I just feel like I have to be doing something! Maybe the temping and charting and OPK's will be enough....and maybe I won't even want to be bothered when I am on vacation. That would be nice, but I'm addicted to it already. I have recently quit smoking, yet again, so I guess I have to have something to obsess over and charting my temps is it right now! Plus coming here and reading and writing!

We leave for vacation on the 18th of August. We rent a house on the beach every summer with my dad's side of the family. This year there will be 12 of us, last year was 10, the year before was 18. But it's a good time, great to just relax and hang on the beach every day. My grandfather lives in NC, so it's a nice middle ground for the family to meet and visit with him as well! So, I am looking forward to it! Too bad my next AF will be due around that time, so I will probably be taking her with me! UGH!

Thanks again for the birthday wishes, I hope you have a great day as well! I will talk to you later!

Tracy

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Hi Tracy,

I hope you are having a very happy birthday! Enjoying yourself some!

Wow that is pretty awesome with your vacation. I bet you have a lot of fun. I love my family dearly, but I am not sure I could handle "all" of them at once for a week. Maybe af will take a vacation too without you! That would be really nice of her.

I will be on a little vacation for the weekend of Aug. 18 as well. My dh and I have been doing a camping trip for his work for 4 years now. We go to a lake called Lake Raystown in PA. It is quite a good time, always look forward to it. This year is a bit harder on me since we are not getting our boat out (we are breaking ground on our house Aug. 21), so I am not sure how a weekend at the lake without a boat will be. Other people do have boats, but then again if God willing I could be pg and then would't be able to go on the boats. Oh, well we shall see. I can already tell I am trying to plan my timing again. ugh, why is it so hard not to do that.

I received your private message the last night. I had sent one to you the other night because I wasen't sure where to put it on here. I was concerned about how you were doing.

When do you go back to the re? Did he give you any idea as to what he was thinking about which direction he was thinking of going with you treatments?

I am not having such a good day today. Seems everything is making me cry, why I have no idea af is almost gone and I am still an emotional wreck. Maybe it is my hormones again, they are really becoming a pain in my butt. After a rough day, I came home to see the envelope with my Repronex for this cycle. I almost fell over when I saw the price. It went up $130.00 from just a month ago. I called and they told me that as of July 1 it went up to $59.60 a vile from $44.90 a vile. Holy cow, that is quite a jump. So needless to say now I am depressed about the medicine price! If its not one thing its another. I am so very frustrated.

By the way, where do you live? I don't think I ever asked you that. I live in Pa, just outside of Reading. We live in the woods, very peaceful.

I must run, have a good rest of your birthday. Talk to you soon.
Liz

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I almost forgot. Congrats on the quitting smoking. I quite a couple of years ago and I can honestly say nothing makes me wan to smoke more then this journey. Be strong. You can do it.

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Now where to begin...I'm going to have to go back and peek to make sure I answer all your questions, but first let's talk about you.

Sorry to hear you are having a "rough" day. I think we ALL can relate to that. I certainly can. You have alot on your plate right now, and you also have alot that you want done right now. The new house, a baby, medication expenses,etc. Its not a good feeling to have no control, which I guess is why we obsess over the things we can control, like charting and BD timing, etc. Hopefully a vacation will do us both some good, and maybe we can even go off happier and eating for two! God willing for us both! I would like to have a reason to not go out on the boat also!

DH is great about all of this, however, does not wear his emotions on his sleeve. Sometimes I think he doesn't really care, I know he does, but I sometimes feel like I am in this alone. It's depressing, but then I have to remind myself that if he didn't care he wouldn't be going with me to the appoinments, getting the SPA done, etc. He has that done on 8/16 and the RE wanted to meet with us 5 days after that. We will be in NC, so I guess we will schedule an appt. when we get back. Did your DH have that done? Just curious is all. Mine had 3 or 4 SA done, years ago now, but this is the first I even heard of a SPA and know what it is now! I feel ignorant and wish I had known alot more of what I know now a few years back. Not that it would or wouldn't change things, who knows. I just wish I was more informed, then.

Anyway the RE wants to go straight to IVF. Not really what we wanted to hear, but what could he say after 8 years of TTC and at least 10 cycles of clomid, including 4 failed IUI's. I was hoping he would present more "affordable" options out there, but he really didn't. He said perhaps injectables, but if he were us, he would skip over that step. So if her were us would he gamble his savings on one cycle of IVF??? I don't know, ALOT depends on the SPA results, because what if IVF is our only option. We haven't had that talk yet. Insurance won't cover it so it will be all on us. We have the money in savings, but if it failed, we certainly wouldn't be able to do it again. Maybe FET, but not another fresh cycle. It's a HUGE gamble, there are no guarantees. And I think about that too.

I have my DS, and maybe that's all I will ever have. I can live with that, I may have to. I'm not saying I quit or I am giving up, certainly far fromit, but I can't say at this point whether I can consider IVF either. Maybe injectables...but then you have to consider the cost of that (which you are WELL aware of) and a few cycles of that adds up! I am conflicted now, to say the least! AF is here and I am trying to be realistic.

Anyhow, I live in Tennessee. We moved here in October, from Florida, which is where I lived the past 8 years. I was born in raised in Coneecticut though, so we were almost neighbors at one time! I get back up there every other year. My DH is from CT as well.

Hopefully you have a better day tomorrow! It's an emotional ride, but we'll ride together! Sleep tight!

Tracy

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Good morning Tracy,

Thanks for the support. I am trying really hard to have a better day then yesterday. I do have one positve I don't work on Friday's so atleast I am at home.

I am not sure what an SPA is. I did google it is read it has to do with the sperms ability to penetrate the egg. They said he is a good test to determine which way to go with treatment IUI, IVF, ICSI. Sounds like a great test. My dh just had a SA done at the end of May. Everything came back perfect, so once again the problem is not him it falls back to me. I am not sure why they did not suggest the SPA, maybe because I have achieved pg 2 times with him, unfortunatly they ended in mc.

IVF is a huge step. I find myself lying in bed at night thinking about it also. I guess my faith is just a little down right now, I am not feeling that positive about anything. The money is huge, but then again money is definatly not everything, it helps, but it in my mind could never replace the empty feeling I have in my heart for child of my own.

I was suprised to hear you re didn't suggest injections before going straight to IVF. Do you think that has something to do with the amount of time you have been trying to conceive? That would make sense to me. What about all the testing, have you been through that before over the years. I am sorry I don't mean to be nosey I am just very curious. I guess I am alittle addicted to trying to figure out this whole infertility thing.

I am so happy for you that you have your son. I am sure that helps a great deal, he is a blessing to your and your dh. How old is he? Dh is I actually had a serious talk about adoption last Sunday. I told him I was willing to do anything medically possible to achieve a preg., but if and when it happens I am not sure I can do it again if I had to. He likes the idea of adoption, since you are giving a child a chance for a wonderful life. I think that in a couple of years, hopefully we will have our own child by then we will be looking into adoption. I have always wanted a big family and never thought in a million years that once I was finally married and ready it would be so damn hard. Especially when I got pg 4 weeks off the pill the last time. ugh it is so frustrating. Sometimes I feel like I am stuck in a nightmare that I just can't seem to wake up from.

I have never been to Tennessee. Would love to some time, dh and I like to travel and talk about all the places we would like to go. We are country music fans and Nashville is definatly on our list of places to visit. CT is very nice, I have never really visited too much there, but I have driven through. CT and FL have a huge weather distance. I bet that was a tough one to get used to. :)

Well I better go before my book gets too long.
Talk to you soon
Liz

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I am so jealous you are not working today! Wish I wasn't, which is why I will keep this brief... I think the length of time we've been TTC definately influenced the RE and the fact that only one preg was ever achieved. Never though it would take this long. Wanted kids before I was 30, at least two. Now I say one by 35...

The SPA is exactly what you have read about. It will be interesting to see the results.

More later...TTFN!

Tracy

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Tracy,

Yes, having Fridays off is great, but then it is not so great when you could really use the money. My dh has been working extra long days for the ot. We need it.

I always wanted to be married and have kids by the time I was 30. 30 came and went and then I said ok, 32. Well I was married at 31 and pg at 31, unfortunatly m/c. So here I am turned 32 in May and am hoping to be a Mom by 33. One can hope right?

Dh is taking me out to dinner tonight (I haven't seen him all week he's been so busy), so I must go pretty myself up for him. :)

Talk to you soon
Liz

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Liz - I owe you a HUGE post! I tried to stay away from the computer over the weekend, as to not obsess! I did a few things here and there, but did not post anything. I had a bad night Friday, threw a "pity party" feeling sorry for myself, "why me!" Anyhow, I shed some tears and then just decided to take a break from talking about "it" over the weekend. So, I will fill you in on something I've got in the works later! I have to get to work! TTFN!

Tracy

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Hi Tracy -

Sounds like you and I should have been together for a big pity party! I had mine on Thursday night. I cried and cried, felt sorry for myself for a bit and finally Friday night I think I picked myself up, dusted myself off and am ready to stop feeling sorry for myself and think about something else. I think we are all intitled to a day or more (if necessary) of self pity! It allows us to be human.

I am very anxious to hear what you are brewing up. When you get a chance drop me a message.

Talk to you soon, take care
Liz

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Will post a "book" later tonight. DH is supposed to work late, so I will have time to chat then! Hope you results come back good, I know you are anxious! Hang in there!

Tracy

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Okay, so I don't have time to write a book tonight, but I will try to fill you in. Friday night was a bad night for me, just a boo-hoo'ing and feeling sorry for myself. I'm okay now, but was frustrated and had to let it out. DH was supportive and let me cry and blabber on and on about how unfair it is. You know the routine. Anyway it just hit hard because of my birthday and all, just caught up to me and knocked over my brave front. So, we go over to the MIL's house Saturday night and she hands me and envelope from a friend of hers. It was an article about using NaPro Technology and the Creighton Model. So, I read it, skeptically and then did some research when I got home. It's mostly charting and being observant of your body's changes, but I believe they fully examine the chart to find out what the problem is. Whaich is what I would love to know! So, I have been chatting with an RN, who works this program in Georgia, the closest place to me that offers this program and we're looking into it. It is supposed to be a year long program with frequent follow-ups. She may even be willing to teach me (the introductory session)over the phone, how to chart each month. I am still waiting for her to get back to me on the last list of questions that I sent her. Anyway, I may give it a try....it may be stuff I already know and may already be doing with my charting, but we'll see. So that's what I've got up my sleeve. Once I find out more info, I will share with you. So, I am optimistic, once again, for now! Good night, sleep tight....I'm beat....started exercising tonight, ugh!

Tracy

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Good morning Tracy -

Congrats on the starting to exercise. I wish I could get myself motivated to start again. I was doing really great until about a month and half ago and then it all went down hill! :(

I have never heard of NaPro Technology and Creighton Model, howeve it looks very interesting. I think I may have to do some reasearch as well. Did you mil's friend or know someone who had experience with using it? The way I look at it is anything is worth a shot. How are the costs?

Sorry, this is so brief. I really must get some work done.
I will write more later.

Take care,
Liz

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Liz -
I just wanted to let you know that I am thinking of you this a.m. and hope everything goes well for you today! I know you will update us, but I just wanted you to know my thoughts are with you!


Tracy

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Good morning Tracy -

Thank you for your thoughts. I just got back. Everything went very well. My re did the post colital test and mucus check. He gave me a supurb, well actually I guess you could say it is dh that should get eh supurb. The count was very high and they were swimming just the way the should. I actually got o see it, very cool. Amazing, it still makes me wonder why it takes millions of those little guys to penetrate 1 little egg??????
I then had my u/s. I have a total of 5 follicles now. Yes, 5. Monday it was 3 and over the past 2 days 2 more developed, they are small only 12 and 13. The other 3 are 17,17 and 15. The nurse said depending on my estrodiol levels we may be able to do the trigger today. She is a little concerned that if we wait the smaller 2 might get big enough for ovulation and then we will have 5 ovulating this month. Part of me thinks, 5 I can't pg with one what makes them think I will get pg with 5, but then the other side of me is a little nervous about it.
Anyway, I will find out this afternoon what exactly is going to happen. I will be sure you let you know.

How are you doing? Still working on your research?

Thanks again for your support.

Take care, talk to you soon
Liz

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Liz - Great news! Glad the post-coital was good. Superb for the swimmers and superb for your mucous! It's good news for you both! At least you know you body is not fighting off those swimmers! I think I will be requesting that to be done as well.

Hmmm...I have alot I want to do, before I say yes to even condsidering IVF. (Of course I will be sitting here and watching how you make out as well). I have been reading lots of positive results from injectables who did not get their BFP from clomid. So we'll see, at least I am leaning in that direction. As far as my research goes, I am up in the air about that now, as well....only because I am already charting and monitoring my BBT, CM and CP, so I am not sure I need to go that route, since I am already on that road. I am charting this month, with no meds, so I am hoping to SEE something...I charted the past two months, but was on Clomid, so I want to see how my body does on it's own. Do you chart?

Tracy

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Hi Tracy -

I can completly understand your hesistance in going straight to IVF. I too would be very hesitant to skip the in between. Then I do understand that you have been trying for so long that maybe your re would think he should just move past everything else.

I have no idea if I will achieve a pg on the injections only time will tell. I can say I did a great deal of research and the injections have a very good rate of effectivness. When I did the Clomid I only produced 1 follicle, on the injections I had 2 last cycle and 2 possibly 3 fully mature this cycle. My Estodiol is up, which of course in turn shows that the eggs are better quality. So far I really like the injections for me (I hate the price, but it is a small price to pay if the results are good). I seem to be reacting well to them and do not have any of the side effects I did on the Clomid. I really believe that since the Clomid tells your brain to tell your overies what to do and the injections go straight to the overies and bypass the brain it speeds up the process. Atleast that is how it was for me.

If I were you I think I would atleast mention it to your re and see what he has to say. Maybe he has a very valid reason for wanting to go straight to IVF, but just remember the bottom line is it is your and your husbands decision.

The post colital test is a piece of cake. I would honestly suggest it to anyone who has a question about the mucus. I was scared, but it is so worth it to know for sure that is not a problem.

I have never done too much charting. Fortunatly before I did not have trouble conceiving, just ended in m/c for 2 unknow and 1 know reason. Since it was my 3rd they began testing right away. I ended up on the Clomid when everything else was ruled out and they monitor me with u/s and bw and I had to induce ovulation with hcg so I didn't worry much with the charting.

As for my results they are in. My Estrodiol is up to 559, the highest it has ever been. :) I will do a trigger shot tonight and ovulate approx 36 hours later. I have 2 definate follicles that are 17, the 3rd is 15 and she can't rule that one out. The other 2 are too small, so we don't have to worry about the 5 anymore. I am glad about it since the more there are the more I would tend to be alittle on the nervous side. Could you just imagine? At this point I just need to relax, enjoy my dh and his little swimmers and hope for the best. :) I would be lieing if I said I wasen't a nervous wreck, I am, but I am also trying to convince myself to calm down and late it happen. Keep telling myself that and maybe I will be able to. haha

I will talk to you soon,
Liz

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Liz - Great news, your estrodiol level is up, and the highest it's been, even better. And three good eggs! I guess having five good eggs would make me nervous as well...I think knowing at any given point I have ONE good egg would be good, and the more the merrier! I can totally understand your nervousness and anxiety! I always responded well to clomid, at least when I was monitored in the past (for the four IUI's), but for whatever reason, only sustained one pregnancy(and that was unmonitored, my second month on clomid). Obviously that is not your issue. This is why I am hesitant to go straight to IVF, until they can give me some reason it can't/won't happen. I don't know, some days I struggle with it more than others and think that if there was a reason I could accept it, and either act or not. I just don't have anything to go on at this point, so I want to rule out (or not rule out) whatever we can before I have to make the BIG decision, and for me and DH it's huge. Not just the money, because it's not all about that.

I am excited for you and your anticipated ovulation! Tonight we begin our "Sperm meets egg plan." It's pretty basic, but that's where I am at. I do chart, especially my temps, as I said before, but I wish someone had informed me of this years ago! Well, I might have had a nervous breakdown by now, but maybe I would have more clues as to what my problem could be! I still might have a nervous breakdown, but one can never tell. I have my brave front on today....probably because I haven't even O'd yet, too early for that!

I went and had my hair highlited tonight. New place, I received the gift certificate for my b-day. Anyway it was nice to focus on something else, at least for a little while. Not sure if I like it yet, but DH says it'll be like BD'ing with someone else tonight! Great sense of humor he has, but he shouldn't quit his day job!

Well, I will definately be thinking of you alot in the next few days! Hopefully you find a way to relax, a little bit, and let those swimmers get where they need to get! I know you have alot coming up with building the house and it would be great to have one BIG stressor behind you (actually in front of you) so you can focus on building a really great home! (or sit back and watch DH do it!)

Always great to hear from you, talk to you tomorrow, I am sure! :)

Tracy

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Hi Tracy -

I got you private message, sent you one back. Thanks.

That is too funny about your dh's coment with the hair. That sounds exactly like something my dh would say. Glad to see you did something to pre-occupy your mind for a little bit. We all need that. The upcoming house is my main distraction. It really does help to keep the obsessing with ttc down a little bit.

As for monitoring. I know cost is always an issue if insurace does not cover it. We had decided to go with it before we found out that I am covered for 6 cycles. Anyway, I liked the idea that if I am being monitored it might give some insight as to what the problems are. What we discovered in the 1st cycle of Clomid was my lining was too thin, only 7, little mucus and I did not have an LH surge (we had to trigger). So it was worthwhile for that cycle. Last cycle on the Repronex I was again closely monitored, no problems there until the 4dpo bw and my estrodiol had dropped. Because I was being monitored they could just have me do the booster shot and that worked for me. I am definatly pro monitoring. I have learned that there is just so much that goes on in a cycle and if you are not monitoring with the u/s and blood work you really do have no idea what exactly is happening. It really is just leaving it all up to faith in my mind, which don't get me wrong faith is a good thing. I feel that if I am paying that much money for meds I want to make sure I am doing everything I possibly can and the monitoring does that for me. I am sure some may differ their opinion then mine and that is fine we are all individual, for me the monitoring makes me feel more secure. I realize that if we had not done the monitoring we would not have found out some of the "problems" within my cycle, thus not being able to correct them. You can't fix or try to fix what you don't know.

I can understand your desire to find out what is wrong. I felt the same way. Until you know something for sure you just keep second guessing everything. For me if I don't know something I read everything and "self diagnose" which is never good. I would seriously consider making a list of questions for your re. Ask him about trying to find out what the problem is. Let him know how hard it is for you to accept that there is no answer. You have been trying for a long time, God love you and your dedictation. You deserve to have some kind of answer. Maybe if you had something to go by you would feel more at ease going to IVF. Quite possibly he would understand that. I know my re started me with the Clomid, but immediatly after we had the bad round talked to me about injections. We had the good cycle last, but no pg, he immediatly moved me up to 2 viles to try to get my estrodiol higher in the beginning of my cycle. I feel that he is constantly moving forward. If 1 treatment does not work we keep moving forward till we hopefully find one that does.

Good days, bad days and then some really bad days that is all a huge part of our lives ttc. We get through it. You are intitled to your bad days, after all you have been through you deserve it. Try not to get down on yourself when you are down, take it in stride and always know tomorrow is another day. :)

I got my trigger last night and we had fun b-ding. Wow, twice in one day, I feel like we are back in the old days when we first met. ;) The next 2 days will be fun filled for me b-ding, propping my legs up you know the drill. haha. Then when I am though it, it will be your turn (a day or 2 behind) then we will be in the wait again. Well lets not think about that part, one day at a time. In the meantime enjoy your dh and practicing, thats what my dh calls it! :) Everyone that ever asks about the baby process he says "we are practicing and practice makes perfect." He makes me laugh.

Well, I see I have written a short novel, so I am going to go and get back to work. :)

Talk to you soon,
Liz

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Liz -
Thanks for the encouragment! You are just full of positive energy today! Guess you got some last night!! HA HA! I only laugh because I know you did and so did I! Too funny! I can come here and feel free to talk about my sex life! Well, not all of it, but you know what I mean! LOL!

I got your PM, thanks.

I am certainly wanting the monitoring that you are receiving. This is why I "think" I would like to move to injectibles. Just to have the security of know what is going on inside of me. Now I wonder, do I ovulate, don't I ovulate, is it me, is it him....tired of it! Trying to have fun with it this month! I know what you mean when you guys are saying "practice makes perfect!" Our thing is that after we are done I always say, "boy, you sure do suck at this," and then he will say,"I guess we'll have to try again, tomorrow." As long as we can keep our humor, I know it'll be fine. There was a time it had gotten so scheduled that it was a real drag, just doing it because we HAD to and not because we wanted to. My OPK was - this a.m., no surprise, but I told DH and he said, "I guess you won't be taking advantage of me later then." I know he was kidding, keeping that sense of humor, but like I said, he should not quit his day job!

So good days, bad days, we'll hang in there together! We both seem to be having good days today! And probably for the next few days ;).

Back to work I go!

Tracy

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Tracy -

You are right "getting lucky" does give you postive energy, I guess twice in one day makes you have even more energy. haha :)

From what you have told me about your cycles I would have to say sometimes you ovulate and sometimes you don't. That is just my opinion judging by your progesterone on day 23. I was always told and correct me if I am wrong that if your progersterone is not over 10 you may not have ovulated? Not sure. Maybe I will research that.

Your dh seems to have a great sense of humor. My dh is the same, but as you say I tell him not to quit his day job. haha

Well I am going to send you an email and make sure I have it right.

Talk to you soon
Liz

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Liz -

What is frustrating about my progesterone levels is that unmedicated it was 16.9, then one month on clomid 9.7 and the following month (last month) it was 23.4. So I ovulate well on my own, not well on 100mg of clomid, but well again on 150mg of clomid??? I'm going to have to lok back at my chart for that month where it was low and see if perhaps I O'd later than what was expected. My cycles were longer on clomid. Anyway, this month will be unmedicated and I am charting, so hopefully I will see that I ovulate, when I ovulate, and hope that the cysts do not interfere with anything. I have heard you can ovulate with the cysts, and they can interfere. Is there a fortune teller in the house????

Tracy

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Hello Tracy :)

How are you doing today? I am pretty good. Have been crampy all day, o is definatly in progress. I had such bad cramping earlier today it hurt to walk. I have noticed that the more follicles I have the worse the cramping is. This does make sense.

Very strange, your definatly not regular with your progesterone. I wonder if the Clomid could possibly mess you up? I would have no idea about that, but I am sure it is possible. That sounds like a good question for the re.

I have heard that cysts can interfere with ovulation and then I have heard that they may not. You know there is never a definate answer I have come to learn. It's crazy, so hard to figure anything out you know. If there is a fortune teller in the house I would love to chat with them. haha

So, hows the charting going? When is anticipated o time? Sorry, I am a little messed up since I ovulated a day earlier this cycle due to the injections and being "ready". Sometimes I feel like a piece of met, they poke me, get my blood, do and u/s and then say "your ready". haha

I am gonna go, we are visiting with some friends this evening so I must get ready.

Take care,
Talk to you soon
Liz

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Hey Liz -

Hope you had a good weekend! I'm sure you were busy trying to catch those eggs! I hope it went well! I'll be here to ride out the 2ww with you!

My weekend was okay, a couple minor setbacks, as far as charting, but no big deal. On Saturday, I tried to use my OPK and when I did, I got nothing. No control line, no test line just nothing! So I was aggravated! And then Sunday a.m. I wake up, and I was hot, had been ALL night. So I take my temp, and it was way up, then I look and my heated mattress pad was turned on....AARRGGGHHH! So, that was my weekend of charting! Incomplete! It's funny, only because I know to expect to O tomorrow! Temp dip this a.m., hopefuly a pre-O dip.

Other than that, I kept busy ALL weekend, house cleaner, out to dinner, back to school shopping for DS. First grade starts tomorrow! Hope your weekend was GREAT!

Tracy

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Hey Tracy :)

Wow, your son is going back to school tomorrow. Our kids don't go back here in PA until the last week of Aug. Is he excited? I guess 1st grade would be more exiting to a child then say when they are a teenager. haha.

Sounds like you and I did alot of the same over the weekend. Fri. I had a dentist appt. (yuck) and ran errands, Sat. I cleaned and grocrey shopped, Sun. we worked outside preparing. :)

Sorry to hear about your mishaps with the ov predictor. Hopefully today's dip was a sign of o on its way. Hope you got your bd moves all ready. Tonight could be the night. :)

I am doing well, very calm for me. Unusual I know. I think I might be too busy with the house to really dwell and worry if this month is the month. Of course I am hoping and praying it is, but I am trying not to get my hopes up. I have bw tomorrow to test my estrodiol and progesterone, then again on Friday. My beta test is scheduled for Fri 8/11 as long as we don't have to do any booster hcg shots. I am feeling confidant that my estrodiol has not dropped this cycle so that is a good thing, I will know for sure in 24 hours or so after my bw is done at 7:30 am tomorrow. So for now I am just waiting. We will definatly we enjoying the 2ww together again this month.

Are you ready for your upcoming vacation?

I will chat with you soon,
Take care,
Liz

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Oh, wow, good luck tomorrow....you know I will be patiently sitting on the edge of my chair here awaiting the results! It's funny how anxious I am, for you!

I am SO ready for vacation....can't even begin to tell you, hoping for a happy send-off, but if not, then I know I can rest up for the next cycle! I am very curious to see whether I will even O with these cysts... Hope so!

Have a great afternoon!

Tracy

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Good morning Tracy :)

Well, the bw is done now I just have to wait for the results. I usually get them in early afternoon. I do have a really good feeling tha my estrodiol is ok. I don't have any of my "normal" symptoms I get when it drops.

I am ready to take a vacation. We are going camping the weekend of the 18th. This house stuff is really getting stressful, 3 weeks till ground breaking and just so much to do. To top it off our phone lines are down at home since yesterday morning, not expected to come back up till the 3rd. Since I have no phone I have no internet and email. I had so much to research last night and could't plus I can't check this site, ughh, its always one thing after another.

I will check in after I get my results.

Have a great day.
Take care,
Liz

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Liz - I will be here! Hoping your results are great, so you can continue to focus on the other things going on at home!

You are going camping the weekend I am going off to NC. I guess it's good timing! It will be quiet around here. I may have access for like a day, if I head over to my grandfather's, but he usually stays at the beach house with us, so there will be no need for me to go over there. I don't know how I will survive without my constant checking up on everyone and my constant reevaluating my chart! Talk about serious withdrawal...probably worse than cigarettes! I have not TOTALLY quit, I have been having one a night. Need to cut that out now, it's giving me a headache before I go to bed. I guess that's a good thing.

I'm sorry your phones lines are down, that stinks! How frustrating....hope you can survive the next couple of days, without the withdrawal I suffer! LOL!

Let me know when the results are in, I know you will!!!

Tracy

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